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[ki4jgt]

Hey guys,
I've posted this on Yahoo Answers and Ubuntu and all I'm getting is laughs. I don't know why, I mean I post this and without even a how, people just dismiss it as impossible. Someone finally suggested I should try a different forum, so here it goes. P.S. if you're gonna criticize, please do it constructively. and I don't want to charge anything for this. I want it to be completely open sourced and free to the public. I can actually walk you through step by step on how it works too.

so without stalling anymore:

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The Internet could be rewritten:

- Every user could potentially get an unlimited connection
- Every Server (Website) could have an unlimited connection to everyone using it!
- Every server (Website) could have the ability to experience 100% uptime
- All communications could be completely confidential between the two individuals talking and no one else.
- All using the current set of protocols we are currently using (TCP/IP)
- No one could monitor your communications
- HTML could be made simpler and still maintain it's (complete) functionality
- The Internet could be FREE (No Price)
- While maintaining proper authentication protocols (people would still be able to be traced for illegal stuff)
- The only hardware required would be a MODERN computer (Windows Vista/7, Linix, Apple)

And we currently have the technology!

Now, what if I told you, I could prove it?

Honestly I don't know how to program. I do BASIC. But I hardly consider that a programming language. I know how programs operate. I've gotten things about computers without even having to be told, so much so that I've amazed teachers at school and other computer professionals. I"m not asking one person to do all this, I know it will require a team, and not all of them will be computer programmers. Some will be translators, math experts, and who ever wants to join in. Like I said, I want it to be FREE and open sourced. Thanks in advance!

[zoranh]

ki4jgt said:

- Every user could potentially get an unlimited connection
- Every Server (Website) could have an unlimited connection to everyone using it!

We don't have such technology, and we will never have it because every technology is by default limited by some boundary.

ki4jgt said:

- Every server (Website) could have the ability to experience 100% uptime

Only if you don't update sites; otherwise every site must have downtime.

ki4jgt said:

- All communications could be completely confidential between the two individuals talking and no one else.
- While maintaining proper authentication protocols (people would still be able to be traced for illegal stuff)

These two contradict.

ki4jgt said:

- All using the current set of protocols we are currently using (TCP/IP)

There are other networks worth billions and billions of dollars that are not compatible with TCP/IP and industry will never be ready to throw it away and pay another billions and billions of dollars just to reach an abstract goal of being compatible with somebody else.

ki4jgt said:

I've gotten things about computers without even having to be told, so much so that I've amazed teachers at school and other computer professionals.

I am computer professional and you didn't impress me. You should learn a lot before trying to change the whole world. Start with smaller goals; much much smaller goals.

[Alexander]

Mmm.. socialist infrastructure. I don't like it.

[ki4jgt]

Firstly yes the limit would be your connection's bandwidth. If you have a 54MB/s connection, that's your limit
Secondly, I said (have the ability) meaning at the site's disposal. And yes even with updates, it is possible to have 100% uptime.
Thirdly, There is no contradiction. The internet is pretty much a private place. It's only the recipients who inform the police/government now (whether the message is public or private the person only gets in trouble usually when the recipient reports them) Example: If you post to a public forum - the general public (IE government included) are all recipients. So if your recipient were to report you, then they could trace you, but only you and the recipient could read the message (the way the internet is supposed to be - but b/c of the bad guys it isn't)
Fourthly, I said we would use it, not throw it away!
Fifthly, you have not heard any of how this works and yet you know before even hearing it whether you like it or not I need that super power!

And no, not socialist - Open Sourced :-)

[zoranh]

ki4jgt said:

Fifthly, you have not heard any of how this works and yet you know before even hearing it whether you like it or not I need that super power!

Before hearing what?

[Alexander]

Didn't NEW.NET try this pointless attempt? You can see how much it was unpopular, they had added spyware to slip DNS root server address decoders to people, with little to no knowledge because they would lose such revenue otherwise.

I mean as a project to train in network engineering this could be a great practise scenario (if played all in theory like it should), but to assume what you are assuming, the laws of nature (time and time proven again) would boundly apply its demise.

[ki4jgt]

Before hearing the benefits of combining Freenet, Netsukuku, A WWW registrar and a few other services, to create a network which allows the public exchange of information with great benefits. Which allows a site/server not to be hosted by one location alone but by the entire internet itself, based on a system of whitelists and blacklists.

I've left out details so people don't start this project without me. :-) I want to see my baby grow up!

[zoranh]

You're talking like a service manager. Taking things off the shelf, not understanding what's under the hood, trying to combine them in a way that is most efficient in terms of combining, not in terms of operating. The bottom line is that you still have no knowledge of what is under the hood, hence the idea is random enough to be no better than any other.

[ki4jgt]

I have a pretty good idea of what's under the hood. I don't know what every little part does, but still, I can tell the difference from a motor and an oil filter. And I'm trying to sound that way, it's my sales pitch (Don't ask, I've been up all night! It was the best I could come up with on the spot) Also, I understand that Freenet has to go through the trouble of indexing where everything is, wading through it and finding out what has to be downloaded, how and every thing else taking up valuable time, I have a solution for this. Knowing how it's put together now, do you have any suggestions?

[Momerath]

I was going to write a big long thing on how this can't be done, but I'll just limit myself to:

ki4jgt said:

- The Internet could be FREE (No Price)

Who's going to pay for the power to run the routers? Who's going to pay to run the network lines? Who's going to pay to maintain these lines and repair them when they break or are cut?

Pay? I guess that means it isn't free.

[zoranh]

If you think that Freenet and Netsukuku have ultimately solved problems of routing, storage, financials and everything else, then you're so wrong. You failed to explain what would be the protocol stack under these services, what would be the transport layer and how would that network interconnect with other existing networks. As I said, nobody is going to pay any money to switch from a working network and a well-sounded protocol stack and services to a someone-says-ideal network.

There's a huge hole in your reasoning and also a huge hole in proofs you're giving. Just to give you a hint - do you think that problem of packet routing is something that you can trivially dismiss as you did? If so, then go to thousands of people who got their PhD on packet routing theory and teach them.

Also if you think that you can start from services instead of transport problems, then you're as wrong as someone can be. To test your knowledge, may I ask you to explain differences between IPv6 and IPv4 headers, and why those differences were introduced, what changes were required in router software and what benefits in routing have been achieved? Also, please tell us something about changes made to congestion control in IPv6 and why were those changes made.

I suppose that someone having such a profound insight in existing networks as to be able to devise a perfect replacement for them would be able to enlighten me in matters of data transfer without much effort.

[WingedPanther]

We'll start with a couple simple things:
1) you haven't defined your terms (particularly "unlimited"). Most people will interpret them to mean (effectively) infinite Mbps, which is clearly impossible.
2) Security is accomplished through encryption. There is no completely secure encryption method, which is why cryptologists talk about relative strengths of different algorithms. You can achieve certain levels of security in terms of time to crack the encryption is longer than you care about, but that's about it.
3) Modern hardware has numerous limits, which will naturally make people question any claims of "unlimited" anything.
4) Electricity costs money, so somebody has to be paying for this "FREE" internet.

So far, several of your claims appear to contradict basic mathematics, physics, and economics. In addition, your claims appear to be very similar to claims other people have made, which always sound long on predictions and short on details.

Depending on how old you are, you may not remember when every few months a faster and faster processor came out. If you look at the actual CPU GHz rates these days, they've been fairly stable, with manufacturers adding more cores instead of more speed. Some of us have been around since the days when 66MHz was blazing fast. Many things have changed since then, but much of it has not.

Until you provide clear statements of your vision, and state why they do NOT violate basic mathematical/physical/economic principles, you will have a hard time being taken seriously.