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#25 Guest_Jordan_*

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 10:08 AM

I agree that we all have equal intrinsic value but I don't view what the government is doing here as upholding that definition. That would be like demolishing social groups rather than capping a workers pay for a non-working citizen that has no ailments.
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Posted 21 April 2009 - 12:37 PM

Ah, but in your society, men are not created equal. An orphan boy does not have the same opportunities as, for example, Bill Gates's son. We in Canada at least try to bridge the gap, by providing equal funding to all schools in the province, and the government has countless scholarships available for financially disabled students, regardless of marks. Children should not be harmed by their parents' decisions in life. Your system is preserving and widening the gap between the poor and rich.
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:54 AM

Not true. All people have access to an education. If you work hard, you can go to college. Bill Gates, for example, was a college drop-out! Talk about an opportunity.
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:04 AM

How are the education lottery benefits in SC, WP? I'm curious because we were told that ours would provide free community college but it never did. :(
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:17 AM

Eh. They're doing a good job of taxing stupidity.
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 10:32 AM

Just a quick note, Bill Grates is a genius himself, he was going for law study but he likes Computer more. He is just too smart and he decided to get his own future on his hands.

I just curious - do you guys like how States work? Even though federal laws are supreme
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 11:18 AM

I think 90% of the federal agencies are unconstitutional. Other than that, it's great :)
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 01:04 PM

I like how they work. I think some aspects of "freedom" are ignored. For instance, if a person is stupid enough not to wear a seat belt, they should have that right. These laws to "protect" ourselves are not in par with what our original founders intended, IMO.
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 11:08 AM

You might be the dumbest person I've ever heard on this website in my entire life. My two year old son understands socialism better than you do. Seriously, why do you waste your time? Please cancel your internet access immediately and get a job and learn how to support yourself instead of relying on other people to take care of you.


This has been a debate, just let me express my kiddy-thinking.
I have not yet experience the real world, but i think even at my age, 17, has my own feeling.
everyone is respect, and I shall express my own belief here.

my history teacher, a couple weeks ago said "the Europeans are a bunch of socialist"
i don't like the way he said it. is it true? in a way, yes. Europe is quite different from USA, just look at the currency, it is almost unified in the continent.
the history of Europe also impact the way people look at the European.
is it capitalism? yes, of course, there is capitalism in Europe!!


my point is, how can you really tell what is socialism and not?
people praise how beautiful the USA was, and now Obama is turning the nation to socilism.
I strongly disagree. I am sorry.

First of all, let's look at the Social Security Fund. Isn't that similar to what a socialism really is? People support each other.
Medicare, what is it? HELPING THE POOR, HELPING THE ELDERLY.
you can tell me a bunch of fancy definitions on socialism, but let me tell you the truth, NO.
As a society getting bigger and bigger, getting more complicated, we need people to support each other. We need people, everyone to take at least some responsibility.
We are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN nation. We vote for people to run the government, it's the govern of consent, from the people. It's representative democracy. In the past, the ancestors of Americans lived almost independently until urbanization and technology improved.
If socialism is about NO CLASSES, EVERYONE SHARE just a level below the "ideal communism", then how would you justify what Americans had done in the past century with all these federal aids, fund?

I mean, let's stop whining about this. We are not going to be socialism. Stop the political accusation, stop playing the games. People make all kinds of story just to make "yellow journalism". They make money out of this. Bull-SHxT.

Didn't Bush use to say "i want everyone able to own a house, a car, a good living?"
Hey, this is socialism. Even a "royal" republican administration tried to promote the AMERICAN DREAM.

Stop the bulk ** here you politics people. Obama is doing what is necessary, there are ways to improve the entire PACKAGE. I don't like the PORK part at all. Waste money on pork-project. What is that all about?

If people are so concerned about the economy, why not face the truth that the job is difficult. People in these position, work almost 24/7, hundreds of pages and graphs and data and meeting.

Stop being some 3-years old wants mama to do this, and do that.

Everyone has the idea about socialism. Stop with the political terms here.
Educators always say "education for everyone, college for everyone, medicare for everyone". This is the real socialism. But what? Is this a want or need? BOTH. BOTH NEED AND WANT in the economy, society and individual

Guys, you see what I am trying to say here? THERE IS NO SOCIALISM IN ANYWHERE, BUT WE ARE SOCIALISTS OURSELVES, because this is 2009. This is not 1930, not 1940, not 1950, not 1970.


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Posted 14 July 2009 - 11:09 AM

I agree. eventually everything will be illegal.
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Posted 14 July 2009 - 11:18 AM

Actually, you pay a lot up front. Every time you purchase something you pay up front. You pay up front whether you have a job or not. If you buy food or an item, you pay a sales tax. If you buy alcohol or cigarettes, you pay an even larger tax.
1. The corporation, LLC, Proprietorship, etc.. is taxed.
2. It is taxed a second time when the employee is paid.
3. The employee pays a tax when they receive pay.
4. A fourth tax is applied when you purchase something.
Tax goes on and on.....
We are already in a socialist economic system. In a deomocracy you vote on every issue - in our society our vote does not count towards anything. The only thing we vote on is the presidency, which the electoral college decides. Not us. Plurocracy or Bureaucracy is correct.


@ jordan
Exactly my point. Our taxes are as percentages, so even if my mother and father were unemployed or I was living on my own, I 'still' wouldn't pay anything up front. Everyone pays what they can afford this way, and everyone is equal in our wonderfully just society.


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Posted 14 July 2009 - 11:29 AM

You might be the dumbest person I've ever heard on this website in my entire life. My two year old son understands socialism better than you do. Seriously, why do you waste your time? Please cancel your internet access immediately and get a job and learn how to support yourself instead of relying on other people to take care of you.


I agree. eventually everything will be illegal.


Actually, you pay a lot up front. Every time you purchase something you pay up front. You pay up front whether you have a job or not. If you buy food or an item, you pay a sales tax. If you buy alcohol or cigarettes, you pay an even larger tax.
1. The corporation, LLC, Proprietorship, etc.. is taxed.
2. It is taxed a second time when the employee is paid.
3. The employee pays a tax when they receive pay.
4. A fourth tax is applied when you purchase something.
Tax goes on and on.....
We are already in a socialist economic system. In a deomocracy you vote on every issue - in our society our vote does not count towards anything. The only thing we vote on is the presidency, which the electoral college decides. Not us. Plurocracy or Bureaucracy is correct.


You're quite aggressive?
You know you might have gotten trolled or so. Just for your information.
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