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[Thunderstroke]

Hi there.
Need help with a program that came from my internetprovider in Norway, scandinavia.

Providers name: Ice.net
Program i need help with is called Ice.net Optimizer.

The program is used to tweak my internetconnection speed, and works perfect. Normaly adding several 100 kbit, sometimes up to 1mb. It speeds up both down and uploadspeed, but only during internetbrowsing.

I wonder if anyone can help me to "tweak" this program to work when im playing a internetbased game aswell. I mean if it works in browsers, why not in games......or mabye im totaly off??
Im not sure if the providers of the program realy like the program been "messed" with, but IF its possible to "tweak" it why should'nt I (you).It is a positive thing that they acctually should have thougth about themself.
I dont have a clue whatsoever about programming.

Program is found at:

support.ice.no/bin/customer?custSessionKey=&customerLang=no&noCookies=true&action=specialForm&template=specialForm/forms.html&withFrame=1

hmm i could not put in link to webpage here, need 10 or more postings before that,
but just type http first, in front of the link given above in ur browser

program to download:
vsetup_icenet.zip
ver 4.4.1.29

Please try, and gimme some feedback :)
Thank you very much if you take your time to look into this :)

[WingedPanther]

Without looking at it, the real question is: HOW does it speed up your speeds? Generally, these things use one of two tricks to give you the speed boosts.

1) pre-fetching data. This is useful for web browsing, where links on the last-fetched page start downloading in advance, so that it *appears* to be faster. Obviously, this technique is impossible with games because the data does not exist until transmitted.
2) compressing data. This can be useful for web browsing as well, since text, in particular, is easily compressed. Many games already compress their data in an effort reduce the connection requirements, which will result in attempting to compress compressed data (not very effective).

Regardless of which method is being used, the ISP side has to be using the same techniques as the software on your computer or nothing will happen. For example, if you found a way to use a more efficient compression method, that great... except you aren't being SENT data that is more efficiently compressed.

[Thunderstroke]

Hi again
I dont have a clue how the program does it. If its speeding up settings in windows or "override" settings in the provided modem itself. The Ice.net is a fearly new company that uses the old 450mhz mobilefrequenses to transmit data over air. I know theyr optimizerprogram is pointed to a sweedish server. Mabye its "tweaked" there? As I said, Im not a programmer and dont even know how to look into (open for editing) the program. And if I could, I would not even try do change a tod in there. Sorry for my bad english, and perhaps im even sounding abit "sharp", Im not meaning to, Please bear over with me.
thanx again :)

[WingedPanther]

Generally, hardware has limits on speeds, and overcoming theme requires tweaking the data.

[Thunderstroke]

I know the hardware have to stop somehwere on how far it can go, but sine ice.net has gone from 1mb pr sec and over to 3 mb pr sek and i know thyr upgrading to 9mb soon with the same modem. i guess the modem can receve and send data at much higher speeds and are already built in in the modem. But mabye it need a firmwareupgrade to "newset" limits for each step they upgrade. I have changed the firmaware once already, and the speed went up. The optimizer improved the speed before and after the upgrade.
Also athmosferic differences affects the speed like diff speeds in sunny weather compared to snowy, since the whole system is base on radiosignals. And like other nets speed goes up and down depending on how many users on the net.
I guess I cant find out where the program "tweaks" until someone opens it up and can read it from there. :)

[Thunderstroke]

Have to ad, this program has added a icon on my bar at right toolbar, when browsing pages its changes into a whirvle. When im in game or use a p2p program its no whirlvle starting also the optimizer is not affecting then. Can you please help me so atleast the p2p program gets affected bye the optimizer. reason I know this program works is that when I test with internetspeedtesters it shows the speed going up both down and upload . ive used "bredbanskollen", speedtest.net and a norwegian speedtest. all tree get betther results

[WingedPanther]

Using ONLY the client program, there is almost nothing that can be done. It has to be in sync with the server program your ISP uses. I'm sorry, but there's a limit to what can be done. If it is helping p2p traffic, it is probably compression based. Since game companies would be stupid to NOT compress their data already, there really isn't anything to be done.

Something just hit me... are you using Satellite? There are 2 distinct aspects to online gaming that impact performance... and they are COMPLETELY unrelated.
1) speed. This is important for quickly downloading large files. For games that transmit a large amount of data, not having enough speed can kill you.
2) latency. This is how quickly a round-trip message takes. For games based on reflexes, having high latency (bad) means you are never up to date with what the other players are doing.

Some examples of combinations of these two:
Dialup (56kb): I use this at home. It has low speed, so downloading WarCraft3 maps takes forever, but has low latency (good) which means once in game, I don't have any problems. WoW, however, sends so much data that it would not be playable.
Cable Modem: I could get this if I were willing to deal with my local cable company (I'm not). This would be high speed + low latency. It would speed up sending maps in war3, but not impact the actual game experience.
Satellite: This is the option for the non-gamer who wants his porn fix. It is high speed, just like cable modem, but is also high latency. The result in War3 would be that I could quickly get maps, but in game it would just stutter and get updates every second or so. The result would be that I would have to plan ahead and pray. A game like Quake 3 would leave me as a sitting target.

My guess is that your "speed" problem in games may be a latency issue. Try opening a command prompt and typing "ping [server]" to see how long a round trip is. 50ms is good, 200ms is bad.

Edited by WingedPanther, 07 March 2009 - 05:11 AM.
had a thought