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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:28 AM
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 04:24 AM
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I agree that we have a number of people requesting spoon-feeding. We seem to be pretty good at not giving them things for free, however.
Part of the reason I don't teach math any more is that I went nuts with students who actively resisted learning. I had high-school students complaining about the massive amounts of homework I gave them each night. They just didn't seem to think I was being considerate of their free time, their commitments to athletics, etc. I didn't care. I was going to make them do all 4 problems, no matter how big an imposition it was.
As you can probably tell, I suspect that America has a laziness problem.
Part of the reason I don't teach math any more is that I went nuts with students who actively resisted learning. I had high-school students complaining about the massive amounts of homework I gave them each night. They just didn't seem to think I was being considerate of their free time, their commitments to athletics, etc. I didn't care. I was going to make them do all 4 problems, no matter how big an imposition it was.
As you can probably tell, I suspect that America has a laziness problem.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 04:31 AM
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We do get a lot of questions that are easy to answer with a quick search but I've found (from watching non-technical and technical people at work) that most people don't know how to search effectively. They probably did try everything you suggested above first but do not get the results we find. Take a BSOD for instance. I've seen IT professionals attempt to search for the description "BSOD when boot-up" instead of searching for the BSOD number which will result in a variety of results that may or may not help them.
I don't mind helping newbies. In fact, I actually enjoy it when they come. If we give them help when they are starting to learn they may still be a member when they become knowledgeable and return the favor by helping other beginners, writing tutorials, blogs, wiki pages, etc.
Think of this way:
Of course, it is always your choice whether or not to answer these threads and how you answer them but we all skill levels are welcome.
I don't mind helping newbies. In fact, I actually enjoy it when they come. If we give them help when they are starting to learn they may still be a member when they become knowledgeable and return the favor by helping other beginners, writing tutorials, blogs, wiki pages, etc.
Think of this way:
- Someone asks a beginner question.
- Someone else answers it thoroughly .
- Google spiders it and finds many keywords.
- Another person makes a general search for a problem and finds CC based on the #1 post.
- We receive more visitors which amount to more money.
- 100% of the money goes back into CodeCall in the form of server cost, advertisements, enhancements (blogger, updates, etc), and eventually items (such as free t-shirts for members, not until we make more money though).
- Our community grows....
Of course, it is always your choice whether or not to answer these threads and how you answer them but we all skill levels are welcome.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 11:49 AM
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I don't think skill level has a lot to do with being able to use a search function. A person at any skill level should be able to effectively use a search feature. If you can't search effectively or at least learn how to do so effectively than that's kinda sad.... I mean if you want to be a coder, you are going to need the ability to find and read documentation because there is going to be a lot of stuff you come across that you aren't going to understand at first.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 03:15 PM
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I don't know if you've had an IT job before or done any helpdesk type work before but if you do you'll realize what I've said is true. In college they had a "search" session for in several English classes I attended. You'd be amazed at how hard it was for some people to find specific topics.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 04:10 PM
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It would be interesting to find out the normal process some members use to ask questions. It could be they don't know what terms to search for.. Or they didn't understand what they found. No idea. In any case, they are here which makes me happy.
Your bad rep comes from the manner that you respond. I believe if you stop being so confrontational that members will begin to like you. Your advice is genuine and well written (when not insulting).
Your bad rep comes from the manner that you respond. I believe if you stop being so confrontational that members will begin to like you. Your advice is genuine and well written (when not insulting).
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 06:00 PM
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MeTh0Dz said:
Actually I have an IT job right now, I'm a network/PC technician. I just really don't see how it can be hard to use a search feature.
Also it's not like I don't ever answer people's questions, I've answered quite a few newbie type posts on here.
Really though it's just amazing to me that some members really think that I am just being a bully and they just can't realize that it is pretty much moronic to not first use a search engine before going to a forum. I mean a lot of, especially newbie type stuff, is freely available on the net, in large part because the same questions have been answered dozens of times in different locations.
Also it's not like I don't ever answer people's questions, I've answered quite a few newbie type posts on here.
Really though it's just amazing to me that some members really think that I am just being a bully and they just can't realize that it is pretty much moronic to not first use a search engine before going to a forum. I mean a lot of, especially newbie type stuff, is freely available on the net, in large part because the same questions have been answered dozens of times in different locations.
Moronic? That's pretty harsh.
I've probably been accused of asking these "newbish" questions, but it wasn't my realization that they were simple; now I just refrain from asking questions for fear that people will badger me for doing so. But, if you want to cut down on it, I'd suggest making it a part of the CC policy (if there is one): "Any threads made that suggest spoon-feeding will be deleted." This would probably cover the spectrum of people that use CC as a vessel for easy answers (to projects and homework) instead of a pursuit for programming knowledge.
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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:29 AM
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I've developed a reputation among those who know me for being able to find things. Some of it is knowing the right way to combine keywords to get the results you want.
SQL SERVER vs "SQL SERVER" alone can make a huge difference in the quality of search results, but many people don't know about using strings to narrow results. Another issue is knowing WHERE to look for results. Google is great, but not for everything. I do my software searches on freshmeat.net and sourceforge.net often before looking on Google. Recently, I was looking for software to fix a bunch of wedding photos for some friends. It took around an hour to find the program that could repair them, after installing 3-4 programs some of which were strictly command-line.
Other times, I feel like an idiot after searching for an hour for something, only to have a co-worker do a slightly different search string and get the result immediately.
SQL SERVER vs "SQL SERVER" alone can make a huge difference in the quality of search results, but many people don't know about using strings to narrow results. Another issue is knowing WHERE to look for results. Google is great, but not for everything. I do my software searches on freshmeat.net and sourceforge.net often before looking on Google. Recently, I was looking for software to fix a bunch of wedding photos for some friends. It took around an hour to find the program that could repair them, after installing 3-4 programs some of which were strictly command-line.
Other times, I feel like an idiot after searching for an hour for something, only to have a co-worker do a slightly different search string and get the result immediately.
