What is your favorite operating system?

[zeroradius]

No one cares what you think because you have one post. Also, I assume by "PS" you mean Photoshop. By default, Ubuntu comes with the Gimp, which does the same thing!

harsh, I care what he has to say. And gimp does not do the same things as photoshop, it does image editing but that is like comparing gimp to MS Paint. Gimp is great as far as freeware goes but it does not hold a light to photoshop, for instance PS CS4 can generate 3D models from 2D images, it can import 3D models and work with it in real time to pose or position the model on the image you are working on, it generated website code from sliced images, it generates flash photogaleries, and lots more.

[Guest]

harsh, I care what he has to say. And gimp does not do the same things as photoshop, it does image editing but that is like comparing gimp to MS Paint. Gimp is great as far as freeware goes but it does not hold a light to photoshop, for instance PS CS4 can generate 3D models from 2D images, it can import 3D models and work with it in real time to pose or position the model on the image you are working on, it generated website code from sliced images, it generates flash photogaleries, and lots more.

Obviously, if he is willing to go through the trouble to create an account just to defend Vista, he is a fanboy. You only care because he is defending your side. By the way, Gimp is not anything like MS Paint. MS Paint is a cheesy program that hasn't changed since Windows 95. Gimp is being updated and worked on actively. As for the feature set, Gimp can be lacking, but new features are being added all the time. The 3D features you mentioned are things that blender can do. (also a free program)

[zeroradius]

Or maybe he made an account because he plans to start programming.

I know gimp and paint are not anything like each other, that is the point i was making. Photoshop is like gimp just about as much as gimp is like MS Paint. And no the 3D features are not the same in blender and photoshop (i use both). Blender is for making actual 3D meshes photoshop creates 3D for use in 2D art work and it is auto generated. When working with 3D meshes in photoshop you import the file that was made in a 3D program (such as blender) and then you can move the mesh around in 3D to put on the 2D image. If you were trying to do this using gimp with blender you would have to keep rendering the model every time you wanted to make a small change and then cut it out. Photoshop is a great tool if your doing serious work. Gimp is great don't get me wrong it is probably the best free graphics program out there but it is not as good as photoshop. To a basic user yes they may work the same, it is the advanced features that make photoshop stand out. I digress thou, I do not feel like geting in an argument over something that I know i'm right about and will essentially be the same arguments over and over and over.

[Guest]

Or maybe he made an account because he plans to start programming.

[sarcasm]Of course, that's why he made an introduction and posted in programming related threads.[/sarcasm]

I digress thou, I do not feel like geting in an argument over something that I know i'm right about and will essentially be the same arguments over and over and over.

[sarcasm]Sorry, you are right Photoshop is better because that's not opinion that's fact.[/sarcasm]

[returnvoid]

[sarcasm]Of course, that's why he made an introduction and posted in programming related threads.[/sarcasm]

[sarcasm]Sorry, you are right Photoshop is better because that's not opinion that's fact.[/sarcasm]

Have you been eating too much sugar?

Firstly. I am a web developer who has a passing interest in programming so that is why I joined the forum.

I didn't make a post in the intro forum as I fnd them inane and a waste of bandwidth.

Photoshop is nothing like Gimp in the same way Inkscape is nothing like Illustrator in the same way Windows Movie Maker is nothing like After Effects.

The thread title doesn't mention anything about not posting if you have < X posts so I guess my opinion is as valid as the next persons.

[sarcasmwithinsarcasm]The only part of yourpost I would agree with is that [sarcasm]...Photoshop is better because that's not opinion that's fact.[/sarcasm][/sarcasmwithinsarcasm]

Seriously, just calm down.

EDIT: Just noticed you mentioned Blender, yes well Blender is pretty much the same as Maya really. (I left te sarcasm tags off as I guess you could sense it)

[Guest]

Have you been eating too much sugar?

No, and I find that question personally insulting. -rep

Firstly. I am a web developer who has a passing interest in programming so that is why I joined the forum.

Sure whatever...

I didn't make a post in the intro forum as I fnd them inane and a waste of bandwidth.

I disagree. If you are going to post in the forum, you should at least introduce yourself instead of jumping into a discussion. Even if the introductions are inane it at least gives everyone else an okay measure of the newbies English skills and overall intelligence.

Photoshop is nothing like Gimp in the same way Inkscape is nothing like Illustrator in the same way Windows Movie Maker is nothing like After Effects.

Yes zeroradius has already established this.

The thread title doesn't mention anything about not posting if you have < X posts so I guess my opinion is as valid as the next persons.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I really don't care what you think.

[sarcasmwithinsarcasm]The only part of yourpost I would agree with is that [sarcasm]...Photoshop is better because that's not opinion that's fact.[/sarcasm][/sarcasmwithinsarcasm]

Yeah you better agree.

Seriously, just calm down.

I have been typing this calmly the whole time.

EDIT: Just noticed you mentioned Blender, yes well Blender is pretty much the same as Maya really. (I left te sarcasm tags off as I guess you could sense it)

Of course they aren't the same, but blender was made to be a free replacement, so it should have similar features.

[ZekeDragon]

Guest, don't take this the wrong way, but you're about to get a well deserved talking to.

No, and I find that question personally insulting. -rep

Wow, you're an *sshole. You f***ing DESERVED -rep for saying this:

No one cares what you think because you have one post.

So in my opinion the guy has been taking it rather lightly considering how condescending you've been and inflammatory your comments.

Firstly. I am a web developer who has a passing interest in programming so that is why I joined the forum.

Sure whatever...

Do you have any reason to doubt him? I didn't think so.

I disagree. If you are going to post in the forum, you should at least introduce yourself instead of jumping into a discussion. Even if the introductions are inane it at least gives everyone else an okay measure of the newbies English skills and overall intelligence.

Do you remember the part where this is a public forum? Ideally, CC invites any other people with enough interest in our subjects and enough technical acumen to understand our goings on in any discussion at any time. You're looking for reasons to discredit your 'opponent' because he thinks the GIMP is a technically inferior program to PhotoShop, and that ruffles your Free Software Dogma feathers.

[sarcasm]Of course, that's why he made an introduction and posted in programming related threads.[/sarcasm]

This is a red herring, and it insults the intelligence I otherwise would associate with regulars to CC. Your "observation" is unwarranted and meaningless to the point at hand.

[sarcasm]Sorry, you are right Photoshop is better because that's not opinion that's fact.[/sarcasm]

PhotoShop IS, in every way, a technically superior program. This isn't the GIMP developer's fault, however, since Adobe hangs their ridiculous software patents over the GIMP like a looming disaster waiting to happen, which is realistically the only reason that the GIMP ISN'T Photoshop, but nonetheless it is a technically superior program. The biggest problem with this statement is that you so vaguely used "better" in this sentence as to have 6.5 billion possible meanings, so clarify!

You are entitled to your opinion, but I really don't care what you think.

Your maturity in the subject and willingness to have open dialogue and acceptance of ideas outside your own is duly noted. Oh, wait...


What really puzzles me about this whole response of yours, Guest, and the "responses" you've had to other people is the fantastic aggression and callousness you present when posting for things that otherwise don't warrant such behavior. I've been reading returnvoid's comment, and I can't find one thing that would incite me to such actions:

I use Vista.

It hasn't let me down yet. Very stable altough a little limited, it does what I need it to with a little coaxing.

All my freeware is available on this OS and functional.

It's what I know.

I did run Ubuntu on a laptop for a while and enjoyed using it but couldn't figure out how to install PS so had to change.

He tells the same story of many Dual-boot Windows/Linux users, one of needing "that one Windows program" and thus can't make a full switch. This isn't unusual, and he said nothing about Ubuntu or free software, so I really can't see what's caused this. Good job, Guest, you've successfully managed to give a great impression of yourself and others on this forum!

[Guest]

Zeke, you should go ahead and -rep me and +rep returnvoid. I kind of lashed out at him for no reason.

I just have a few last things to say:
Even if Photoshop is technically superior right now, Gimp gives me freedom and it's rapidly improving.
Always have main return an int.
I still think it's a good idea to make an introduction thread before getting mixed up in an argument.
Sorry returnvoid.

[returnvoid]

No worries.

Just to clarify things on my part. 95% of the software I use is freeware and I tink the creators of GIMP, Inkscape, Blender, OpenOffice... not to mention 1000s of less well known programs, deserve all the praise they get.

I didn't realise I was wading into crossfire. Perhaps I should have worn my UN jacket, but then I wouldn't have been able to do anything but watch, so maybe not...

Anyway, to all concerned, have a good day.

[WingedPanther]

@returnvoid: I'm not sure what happened. Normally, we don't have this kind of crossfire on CC. Welcome aboard!

@Guest & Zeke: thanks for defusing things.

Personally, MS-Basic and QBasic will always have a soft spot in my heart because they were my very first languages (late 80's). MS-Basic had direct access to memory and hardware (partly because DOS allowed it).

I love C++, but wouldn't want to do GUI programming just using the Windows API. At the very least, I would want some wrapper classes to clean up the interface.

Ultimately, the basic family of languages seems to be more about a syntax style than any definite power level. I also know professional programmers who despise the syntax style of C family languages.

From my experience, imperative programming is the easiest style to learn. Procedural is a little trickier, as some people do have issues understanding how to work with parameters. OOP and generic are progressively more difficult to learn. Unfortunately, understanding the value of each idiom is almost impossible to communicate until you get comfortable using it.