Do you write html in notepad?

[G_Morgan]

Originally Posted by TcM

Well, they just can't ship windows without an internet browser....

Why not? It's an OS, not an application suite.

There's nothing to say that Dell couldn't install a web browser.

[chili5]

Originally Posted by G_Morgan

Why not? It's an OS, not an application suite.

There's nothing to say that Dell couldn't install a web browser.

and sure but the operating system contains software to get the computer running and that includes software to get the average user started and Microsoft might as well install their software into their OS.

Originally Posted by Xav

I could swear there was a court case against Microsoft 'forcing' users into using IE by shipping it with Windows. Or maybe not, I can't remember.

i believe their was but Microsoft isn't forcing users into using IE because you could easily get Firefox can't you?

[G_Morgan]

Originally Posted by chili5

and sure but the operating system contains software to get the computer running and that includes software to get the average user started and Microsoft might as well install their software into their OS.

Apart from the fact that it's illegal product linking. Where do you draw the line? Why not install a productivity package like Office?

An OS is there to manage the hardware and provide an interface.

[chili5]

yeah I guess that's true, they don't install office because they want people to buy office but they could see IE also but I seem to think that IE is required for windows to operate.

[TcM]

Ok. If you have a PC for the first time. You install it, and have no browser. How are you supposed to browse the web and download a good browser?

Besides that Linux come with FF...

[chili5]

Yes, I want to get a linux installation on my computer, and I like that it has firefox

I only use IE to get Firefox and windows updates and I had to use it to get my email with my ISP. :\

[Xav]

Although you've heard of the IE Tabs extension?

[G_Morgan]

Originally Posted by TcM

Ok. If you have a PC for the first time. You install it, and have no browser. How are you supposed to browse the web and download a good browser?

Dell will stick a web browser on there for you. If you self install then I assume you are clever enough to copy an installer onto a disc somewhere.

Originally Posted by TcM

Besides that Linux come with FF...

There's no such thing as 'Linux' in the sense you are using it there. Individual distributions bundle a web browser. Most will have a second web browser (although it might be Links). Nearly all will make it easy to install a multitude of web browsers which work exactly as well as it's default. All will make it possible to remove the default browser.

I know a whole lot of distributions don't bundle Firefox though. Debian uses Epiphany for it's Gnome desktop and Konqueror for it's KDE desktop. Of course Debian can install as much or as little as you want. Fedora is similar and the installer will allow you to install whatever web browser you want. Gentoo doesn't even give you a desktop as default, forget a web browser.

In all cases though. The Linux distributions don't use their default browser in an attempt to cripple the internet as MS did with IE for years.

[chili5]

Originally Posted by Xav

Although you've heard of the IE Tabs extension?

nope, what is it?

[TcM]

Originally Posted by G_Morgan

I assume you are clever enough to copy an installer onto a disc somewhere.

Why so much hussle? When you can get it right away. Besides that, you are always free to try another browser. MS does not block FF from installing or anything, it even let's you make another browser as default, leaving Ie as secondary. The only thing that I don't agree with is, that you cannot simply uninstall it.

Originally Posted by chili5

nope, what is it?

It is an addon for FF.