C Or C++

[v0id]

Offtopic:
Which Lisp dialect do you use, G_Morgan? Emacs Lisp?
I once spent a lot of time on different Lisps (Scheme, Common Lisp) but for some reason I stopped. IIRC, I was annoyed by the way you load libraries (/ packages) I never figured out where the standard packages were located, so I didn't know where to add new packages. Could you clear up how this loading process works in Lisps (in general, I know it can differ from implementation and dialect), or at least where the standard packages normally are located (which may be hard, as I suppose it's implementation-depend.)

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread for a while.

[G_Morgan]

I use all three TBH. I use Emacs for coding Lisp so utilise a little elisp in programming that. Scheme's simplicity and first class continuations give it some benefits. CL I use for most of my work.

SBCL is my favourite Lisp implementation but it only works well on Unix (the Windows port is a work in progress). I install packages using asdf-install which is the CL equivalent to Perl's CPAN (though has far fewer packages than CPAN naturally). Asdf-install comes pre-installed with SBCL but I think many CL implementations require you to install it manually (most will come with asdf though).

CLiki : ASDF-Install

CLiki : asdf

[v0id]

Great, thank you.

I've been using SBCL too (and earlier GCL too, but it seems deprecated?), and I find it great, and it sounds even greater with asdf. I'll look at asdf (and the links you provided) when I get some time, so for now I've just bookmarked them. I would still like to know if there's some way to find the location of the packages. If you've some clue, I'll appreciate it.

Thank you again!

Edit: By the way, I've given you some positive reputation.

[Xav]

But C# is the best.

[G_Morgan]

Originally Posted by v0id

Great, thank you.

I've been using SBCL too (and earlier GCL too, but it seems deprecated?), and I find it great, and it sounds even greater with asdf. I'll look at asdf (and the links you provided) when I get some time, so for now I've just bookmarked them. I would still like to know if there's some way to find the location of the packages. If you've some clue, I'll appreciate it.

Thank you again!

Edit: By the way, I've given you some positive reputation.

I think it changes from distribution to distribution on Linux. I know Ubuntu stores it's CL libraries in a central location (for all potential CL implementations) and points SBCL towards it. I imagine this will be the same throughout Debian distributions.

However asdf-install tells you where it is dropping any package you install via it's mechanisms. You can install packages either locally (in which case it goes in a folder in your home directory) or system wide (something like /usr/lib/sbcl I think, might be wrong). Best way to find out is to try to install something from asdf-install and it will list the paths available to it.

GCL suffered when Clisp became a Gnu project. It's a pity really since they approach the language in very different ways (Clisp is a bytecode/VM system, GCL's main use is to compile to C). Both are lacking in standards support IMHO though and SBCL seems to be the focal point for free CL systems.

[Xav]

But still, we all love C#, don't we?

[R-G]

If you'll ever study the computational complexity theory, the basic theory of computation or any other related field in the computer science (probably ethics as well), you will understand why the answer is certainly no.

[Xav]

How come? I love C#.

[v0id]

Originally Posted by G_Morgan

I think it changes from distribution to distribution on Linux. I know Ubuntu stores it's CL libraries in a central location (for all potential CL implementations) and points SBCL towards it. I imagine this will be the same throughout Debian distributions.

However asdf-install tells you where it is dropping any package you install via it's mechanisms. You can install packages either locally (in which case it goes in a folder in your home directory) or system wide (something like /usr/lib/sbcl I think, might be wrong). Best way to find out is to try to install something from asdf-install and it will list the paths available to it.

GCL suffered when Clisp became a Gnu project. It's a pity really since they approach the language in very different ways (Clisp is a bytecode/VM system, GCL's main use is to compile to C). Both are lacking in standards support IMHO though and SBCL seems to be the focal point for free CL systems.

I checked /usr/lib/sbcl, and it seems like it's the right directory. There's all kinds of packages, all of them start with "sb-" though, and onlt asdf doesn't have that prefix. But I guess these are the standard packages (for SBCL) I'll still give asdf a try, to see if it drops packages somewhere else than in this directory. Fortunately, there's tons of material on how to use asdf, so it shouldn't be a problem to get started. Thank you once again, I appreciate your help.

[v0id]

I got some time on my hand today, so I've been looking closer at asdf. It is indeed a nice tool, and very easy to use. I like that it keeps its installation clean, and doesn't drop files everywhere, but only where you ask it to. I guess I'll start doing some more Lisp programming now.